How can multiple supercontrol knobs with each different midi ranges show these ranges in 1 subcontrol knob?

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MIDI Target Manufacturer(s): Original, Generic

Hi all,

For very good reasons I crammed 39 effects in one overall effect section. 39 effects witch each different parameters sets.

So that 39 x (knob rate, knob volume, knob mix, etc) in one effect section which is a sub of these effects and their parameters.

Some effects have 5 parameters (knobs), some 3 parameters, some 13 parameters.

I created for each effect (set of parameters) a 39 to 1,  supercontrol --> subcontrol setting.

Because all 39 effects have at least one variable parameter/control (knob) the first subcontrol has 39 supercontrol knobs.

The 2nd subcontrol has also 39 supercontrols, etc.

The 13nd subcontrol has only one supercontrol.

Of course there are issues when doing this, that I pretty much solved. When effect 1- parameter 1 has a midi range (value) of 00-100 (dec) and effect 2 parameter 1 had midi range(value) 1-4  I can solve that with a named ticked list for the shared subcontrol naming this.

For now I let the 0-100 (largest range/value) dictate the sub knob's range so all options are covered. When the 2nd effect, first parameter is used 1-4 it will only display a very short range on that shared subcontrol.

Question: betides named ticks is there a way to improve the visuals so when turning supercontrol 1(0-100) the sub show that range and when turning supercontrol 2 (1-4) the same subcontrol show the same min-max? (I could use another variable control like a horizontal fader instead of a knob, that would give another visual).

Does my question makes sense? May take some fantasy to grasp.

Here is a vid to support it:  

 

I also created a 5 effects sample,  parameter 1 --> 1 sub control example, screenshot and download

Thanks,

Gurbz

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How can multiple supercontrol knobs with each different midi ranges show these ranges in 1
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Hmm, maybe I need this to design the other way around with a sequential super control.
Backwards.

Answer 1

I feel your pain

The RD-2000 has 69 effects, with five controls that are common to all, then from 3 to 26 unique controls.  Even when an effect has a control identical to another, it is mostly in a different location.  Some are seven bit, some are four + four bits across two bytes.  Some are - to +, with zero landing where it will, some are - and + with zero at 64.  Some are a short list of text, like room size (small, med, large).  Some are simple on / off (0 / 1).  

Most overdrive "On" switches are in different locations.  Only two rotary speaker sims - at least they share some controls -- until they don't.

A seven bit item activated by four bit control has huge jumps.  A four+four bit item activated by seven bit control gets into undefined states.

And almost nothing is documented in the midi implementation guide.

So I gave up and ended up with a separate tab (or portion of tab) for each separate effect, and have coded the 20 most used.  (More are a future project.)

And just to make things more interesting - when you change the effect type via MIDI, it does not load default parameters, so you have to completely initialize all respective parameters. Parameters that work for effect 1 will cause a devil's squeal or silence come out of effect 2.

Almost need a relational database to solve the problem.

So I feel your pain.

Comments

I like your thoughts, was hoping that you’d respond to this one!
Not really ready yet to let this one go, I’m gonna try a few things but I’m getting ready for the horrible truth that this maybe not fixable. Thanks so much for the suggestions and how to handle these sort of devices with multiple effects.

Answer 2

I feel your pain

The RD-2000 has 69 effects, with five controls that are common to all, then from 3 to 26 unique controls.  Even when an effect has a control identical to another, it is mostly in a different location.  Some are seven bit, some are four + four bits across two bytes.  Some are - to +, with zero landing where it will, some are - and + with zero at 64.  Some are a short list of text, like room size (small, med, large).  Some are simple on / off (0 / 1).  

Most overdrive "On" switches are in different locations.  Only two rotary speaker sims - at least they share some controls -- until they don't.

A seven bit item activated by four bit control has huge jumps.  A four+four bit item activated by seven bit control gets into undefined states.

And almost nothing is documented in the midi implementation guide.

So I gave up and ended up with a separate tab (or portion of tab) for each separate effect, and have coded the 20 most used.  (More are a future project.)

And just to make things more interesting - when you change the effect type via MIDI, it does not load default parameters, so you have to completely initialize all respective parameters. Parameters that work for effect 1 will cause a devil's squeal or silence come out of effect 2.

Almost need a relational database to solve the problem.

So I feel your pain.

Answer 3

Variable text: create a variable control with named tick list, sync the list with variable controls with specified ranges

MIDI Target Manufacturer(s): Original, Generic

Hi all,

One solution to better specify values is using text that corresponds with values. Build a long named tick list (knob or other variable control) and use other variable super controls to specify certain ranges in that long named tick list. (Two bytes being possible)

For example super control knob 1 with midi range 0-15 adresses the long sub list values 0-15. Super control knob 1 is being triggered by sysex or midi value when syncing. Super control knob 2 with range 15-30 adresses value 0-30 on the long sub list, the super knob 2 is being triggered by its own unique sysex or midi identity. Etc.

Cheers,

Gurbz

Downloads: 439
Variable text: create a variable control with named tick list, sync the list with variable
Downloads: 439

Answer 4

Variable text: create a variable control with named tick list, sync the list with variable controls with specified ranges

MIDI Target Manufacturer(s): Original, Generic

Hi all,

One solution to better specify values is using text that corresponds with values. Build a long named tick list (knob or other variable control) and use other variable super controls to specify certain ranges in that long named tick list. (Two bytes being possible)

For example super control knob 1 with midi range 0-15 adresses the long sub list values 0-15. Super control knob 1 is being triggered by sysex or midi value when syncing. Super control knob 2 with range 15-30 adresses value 0-30 on the long sub list, the super knob 2 is being triggered by its own unique sysex or midi identity. Etc.

Cheers,

Gurbz

Downloads: 439
Variable text: create a variable control with named tick list, sync the list with variable
Downloads: 439