Roland FC-300 sysex mode not received in MD and other question

Question

MIDI Target Manufacturer(s): Roland

This is my first layout and Im a newbie asking for advice.

Im using a Roland GI-20 and Roland FC-300 and Yamaha Motif xs Rack.

First part of my layout (GI-20 to FC-300) works as expected. When changing midi channel on the GI the Ctrl1 receives the message and triggers the Ch 1 sysex that sets the channel on the FC (in addition to light on/of).

Issue: when I click on the ctrl buttons in MD it sends both on/of and the button colour remains the same. When I use the external GI only the on is sent and the color remains dark bluen (preset 1 is after cykling through the 8 channels)

Desired behavour is external and click on MD button is the same and the last selected channel only should be dark blue. Can you point me in the direction of accomplishing this?

My second issue is on the FC-300 to Motif section.

I have copied the input sysex from a pc setup using MidiOX ans Bomes midi tranlator.

Pressing the buttons in MD works as intended. The Motif is reacting as expected.

Issue:

The FC-300 is in sysex mode and sends the messages in the attachment (Pedal 1 to 5 then down - up - ctl1-ctl2) Sending both «on» pressing pedal and «of» releasing pedal.

Using learn button the pedal 1-5 pressed nothing is captured in MD. Pressing down-up-ctl1-ctl2 then the sysex is captured by the learn.

1) Why is not pressing pedal 1-5 captured by MD?

2) When storing the received sysex from down-up-ctl1-ctl2 in the Pdl 1-4 nothing happens when i press the pedals.

The Pdl 1-4 buttons are expected to be triggered by the incomming sysex from the fc-300 but nothing happends. What am I missing here?

I know you do not have the hardware hence I attached the sysex output from the fc-300 pedals.

Your input is most obliged.

Thank you

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Sysex from FC-300
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GI-20 FC-300 and Yamaha Motif xs rack

Answer 1

re: > Issue: when I click on the ctrl buttons in MD it sends both on/of and the button colour remains the same. When I use the external GI only the on is sent and the color remains dark bluen (preset 1 is after cykling through the 8 channels)

Two items
- maybe the buttons need to be “send on only.” 
- if you have a group of buttons options where only one should be active at one time, make a super control knob with all the buttons as sub controls.  In this case, you can select “buttons send on only” on the supercontrol instead of separately on each button.  Typically you also want to select “second press resends on”

re: Using learn button the pedal 1-5 pressed nothing is captured in MD. Pressing down-up-ctl1-ctl2 then the sysex is captured by the learn.

Learn does not function with SysEx messages.  There are too many variables with a SysEx message to determine automatically how it should be coded.  Since you have captured the SysEx output from the hardware, you have the information needed to manually enter the SysEx commands.

For example, I see this in your captured output:
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
00226E48 12 -- F0 Buffer: 12 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 00 00 00 20 12 20 00 7F 61 F7
00227DDD 12 -- F0 Buffer: 12 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 00 00 00 20 12 20 00 00 60 F7

This would be entered to MDP2 SysEx as
41 00 00 00 00 20 12 20 00 V, choose one byte V, choose a checksum (doesn’t matter, as long as one is present), with MIDI values of 0 for off and 127 (7F) for on.
MDP2 automatically supplies the leading F0 and trailing F7.  The value before the F7 is a checksum, and we see the byte before that changing between 00 to F7, so that is the data value.

Hope this helps.

Comments

Hi
Thank you for the answers.

The buttons receive different messages from my GI-20 so I guess I can’t have one button receiving multiple messages then trigger the different buttons based on the incoming message?  If this is possible I would appreciate pointing me in the direction of a solution.
The buttons works as intended for now and it is just the colouring that is a bit strange.

The buttons to receive a sysex message and trigger other button I’m not able to resolve. I’m thinking I might need some more specific routing then what I currently have and the StreamByter might help mitigate the issue. I’m pretty newbie to midi but I will try and learn how I can control the midi streams using the plugin soon.
On my PC set-up Im getting this to work but there I have a separate session with Bomes midi-designer taking care of (translating) this sysex messages going from the FC-300 -> thru the Motif (port 3)-> to the PC (usb) -> back to Motif (port one). The sysex trigger functions in the Motif I now can control from MD so this is not very important for my progress, however I would like to resolve as it provides some flexibility in my setup.

I found this thread describing same issue as mine. This was resolved but still I have no solution. https://mididesigner.com/qa//6371/want-use-sysex-message-receive-button-trigger-program-change?show=6371#q6371

I have found no Yamaha Motif references in the MD community and I will post my first layout. It’s created to enable more easy access and control over the arpeggios in the hardware. I have added the LAYOUT: Generic MIDI Program Change by mlafontaineca
to my layout to learn how this thing work.

Just learned I can’t post it here. It’s work in process so I’ll wait a little longer.

Thank you

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One button = one message is a fundamental characteristic of MDP2.  The message can have some modifiers, such as channel.  But most MIDI control actions can be implemented with this structure.

If there is an advanced relationship between different MIDI messages and desired action, then SB is the solution.

You cannot post layouts or pictures in a comment.  Instead, start a new answer on this thread.

Answer 2

re: > Issue: when I click on the ctrl buttons in MD it sends both on/of and the button colour remains the same. When I use the external GI only the on is sent and the color remains dark bluen (preset 1 is after cykling through the 8 channels)

Two items
- maybe the buttons need to be “send on only.” 
- if you have a group of buttons options where only one should be active at one time, make a super control knob with all the buttons as sub controls.  In this case, you can select “buttons send on only” on the supercontrol instead of separately on each button.  Typically you also want to select “second press resends on”

re: Using learn button the pedal 1-5 pressed nothing is captured in MD. Pressing down-up-ctl1-ctl2 then the sysex is captured by the learn.

Learn does not function with SysEx messages.  There are too many variables with a SysEx message to determine automatically how it should be coded.  Since you have captured the SysEx output from the hardware, you have the information needed to manually enter the SysEx commands.

For example, I see this in your captured output:
TIMESTAMP IN PORT STATUS DATA1 DATA2 CHAN NOTE EVENT
00226E48 12 -- F0 Buffer: 12 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 00 00 00 20 12 20 00 7F 61 F7
00227DDD 12 -- F0 Buffer: 12 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 41 00 00 00 20 12 20 00 00 60 F7

This would be entered to MDP2 SysEx as
41 00 00 00 00 20 12 20 00 V, choose one byte V, choose a checksum (doesn’t matter, as long as one is present), with MIDI values of 0 for off and 127 (7F) for on.
MDP2 automatically supplies the leading F0 and trailing F7.  The value before the F7 is a checksum, and we see the byte before that changing between 00 to F7, so that is the data value.

Hope this helps.