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Problem using subcontrols rather than copies for sliders - MIDI Designer Q&A

Problem using subcontrols rather than copies for sliders

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asked Jan 24, 2013 in Suggestions (Already Implemented) by arsby (350 points)
recategorized Jun 18, 2013 by MIDI Designer Team (Dan)
Hi, I'm at NAMM and typing this on my iphone, but: this sounds like a mess. I'll look into it. I'm thinking about putting individual sizes for control copies BACK in (because I dumped that to reduce confusion, originally). Anyway, I'll read this question again in a few days and give it a serious looking over. Feel free to drop a comment here if I drop the ball, please.Thanks!
This is out in 1.5.1/1.5.2. Hope you're using it... I am!


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Yes, this is the intenteded behavior. A supercontrol that is limited from the full POSSIBLE range (0-127) will limit the subcontrol's actual range. So if a subcontrol has a range of 50 and you reduce the supercontrol's range to 32 (25% of 128), you'll get a range of only 25% of that 50. Where it gets weird is when you increase the MIDI minimum in the supercontrol. This allows you to get all kinds of variations using the same subcontrol, depending on the MIDI range of the supercontrol.

There are a bunch of situations in which this is useful.

If you think about this, it makes sense because the subcontrol sends, so only it gets the real MIDI range. The MIDI range is used in supercontrols to determine how they work as supercontrols.

Hope that makes some sense.
answered Jan 25, 2013 by MIDI Designer Team (Dan)
That makes sense in the default settings where the supercontrol doesnt send messages, and if you were to change the behavior now it would certainly break a bunch of layouts. I appreciate the verification of what I'd figured out.

So in situations like mine I just have to remember to set super controls back to the full MidI range. OK.

I would then like to place my support behind the earlier comment regarding copies. If I were able to change sizes of copies, then I'd have functionally-exact matches of controls on different pages without having to make property changes to supercontrols. I usually start my duplicate controls from the "make similar" command. Thanks for your response.
My main concern, from before, is that people would get confused about their being copies. I'll have to mull this over. Might take a month or two to put this back, but it's been annoying me too (not having control of copies' sizes).
I'm hoping to unleash this again in 1.5.1. Layouts would not be backwards compatible, but it's a small price to pay at this point. Stay tuned for early May release, sorry for the delay.
This is already in for 1.5.1. Coming to you within 3 weeks (perhaps less). Thanks!