Can bit changer controls and presets be combined?

Question

MIDI Target Manufacturer(s): Yamaha

I am trying to create a layout to control some of the options on a Yahama EX5, which has a number of sysex control that are specified bit wise.  I created a knob control to send the sysex message and a series of push buttons to set the bits.  This seems to work fine.  I then added a preset control knob and associated Store and Recall buttons.  I then added the first control knob and all of the bit control buttons as subcontrols.  When I recall a preset, buttons are recalled correctly but the knob which sends the sysex is not updated.  Instead it sends out its current value.  When I push the bit setting buttons, the knob moves to the correct position. Am I missing an option with respect to the sub/super control relationship that would make the preset recall work?

Thanks in advance.

Comments

Sure sounds like a bug. To clarify, you’re not expecting the sysex knob to send out, just to respect the bit-changing controls, which it’s not doing unless you push them manually, is that right?

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Thanks for getting back to me.

The behaviour I am hoping to achieve is that, when I press Recall, each of the bit change buttons is set, the sysex knob moves to the corresponding new value, and the sysex knob sends the new sysex string to the synth.  At present, the first and third part works, but the sysex does not update.  It was not clear to me whether the sysex knob should be a subcontrol of the Preset knob.  I tried with and without to no avail.

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One workaround to try: you can set up a momentary supercontrol button for the knob that is "send current value" under supercontrol options. Make it a sub of the preset group. If this doesn't work then we'll need to issue a fix. Thanks!

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I tried this suggestion, but in the process realized that the problem is not as I described.  I discovered that I had MIDI loopback enabled and the sysex control would update its value base on the returning MIDI.  With the loopback disabled, the bit changer buttons work as expected, sending the correct MIDI, but the sysex knob now never changes value.  The preset recall sends multiple sysex messages, but the values are not correct.

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It may not have been obvious from my response, but the solution of inserting a momentary button does not solve this problem.   The configuration that I have now is as follows:

1) a knob that sends sysex values
2) two bit changer toggle buttons for bits 0 and 1 of the knob
3) a momentary button that is a super-control of the knob
4) a preset knob with recall and restore that is a super control of the two bit changers and the momentary button

Adjusting the knob directly produces sysex messages as expected.  Adjusting the bit-changer buttons, sends sysex messages as expected but does not update the visual position of the knob -- this seems like a bug.  Pressing the momentary button, sends a sysex message based on the visual position of the knob, rather than the value specified by the bit-changers -- not the desired behaviour.  Pressing the recall button, sends three sysex messages, none of which correspond to the bit-changer buttons.

Any assistance is making this work would be appreciated.

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Hi there and thanks for the testing and the confirmation. We’ll be fixing this bug in a dev sprint soon, but there are some other things queued before it that need to be fixed first for sanity. Thanks for your patience as we track it down and figure it out.